Fight

Sep. 23rd, 2006 12:09 am
[personal profile] binidj
As I was having a mid-morning snooze, I found myself startled awake by the most incredible noise. It took me a while to realise that what I was hearing was the call of a magpie. Well, I say "magpie" but in fact what I should have said is "magpies" for there were three of them, fighting in the car park. Now anyone who has heard (and recognised) the call of a magpie will realise just how loud three of them going at it can be. For those that don't really know, a magpie sounds not unlike one of those old-fashioned, wooden football rattles ... albeit a rattle being operated by someone with a supernatural abilitly to control their wrist.

Now magpies are, without a doubt, my favourite bird being, as they are, crows in very fine clothing; one thing I've noticed about them is that they tend not to fight amongst themselves, no matter how many are gathered. This morning, however, these three magpies were having the most spectacular fight; feathers were, quite literally, flying. There are several interesting things about this fight: firstly, it took place almost entirely at ground level; secondly, there seemed to be no specific object of conflict, no food, no attempt to drive one or more of the birds away, nothing; and finally, it seemed that each of the three was fighting the other two, there seemed to be no sides. A most peculiar fight indeed, and for all the jabbing of beaks and pinning with claws, there was not a drop of blood to stain the white breast of any of the three ... most peculiar.

Such an unusual incident this was, that it felt like a portent of something momentous, though I've no idea what. Perhaps, had I been born a few thousand years ago, I might have had some clue; as it is, I was born somewhere between forty one and forty two years ago and I have no such skill. Which means of course, that when whatever is augured to happen happens, I shall blink in startlement and exclaim "ah, so that's what they were a portent of.

Date: 2006-09-23 12:01 am (UTC)
kathbad: (Chocolate Strawberry)
From: [personal profile] kathbad
What an amazing thing.

Magpies are such a magical beast, definitely my favourite too - although I have a close affinity with Robins.

Date: 2006-09-23 12:03 am (UTC)
kathbad: (Pre-destined)
From: [personal profile] kathbad
And then she realises what she just typed...

Anything I add will just dig further.

Date: 2006-09-23 07:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] binidj.livejournal.com
I did have a small chortle at your expense. =)

Date: 2006-09-23 07:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonzgrace.livejournal.com
Sounds like they were possessed by the spirit of Sergio Leone. Therefore the universe is currently struggling between good, bad and ugly. Wonder who will win.

Date: 2006-09-23 08:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] binidj.livejournal.com
Good and bad I'll accept but ugly? Of the many accusations one could fling at a magpie, ugly is not one of them. In terms of plumage I'd contend that they are the most beautiful bird in the British isles.

Date: 2006-09-23 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonzgrace.livejournal.com
You misunderstand me. I'm speaking figuratively, as if some portent were being enacted, an omen.

You should live up here. There are more magpies than people. Very beautfiful creatures. The birds that is.

Date: 2006-09-23 09:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] november-girl.livejournal.com
When animals deal with conflict it usually tends to be highly ritualised so there need be no bloodshed.
Birds are very good at dealing with conflict without having to kill each other. Think of two male peacocks in competition for example, it's all about who can put on the best show - there's never any violence. Almost every species has its own set of rules by which it sorts things out without too much bloodshed. Apes are the big exception to that - there have been several cases of genocide discovered between monkey "tribes", for example.
From: [identity profile] nyarbaggytep.livejournal.com
I'm not sure that's always true. Don't male seals and sealions and such batter the hell out of each other to defend areas of beach, or have I just got that from Rudyard Kipling? I'm pretty sure also that in some cases male animals will commit infanticide in order to get to mate with another male's female.

I think most behaviours are found in the animal world aren't they? Interesting to hear about the genocide thing though, that one's new to me.
From: [identity profile] furzepig.livejournal.com
To some extent it's true that animals don't generally don't try to kill one another of the same species, but in some instances it can happen if the combatants are closely matched and won't back down (e.g. stags). Genocide in apes (chimps mostly, I think) isn't all that common but brutal when it happens. Attenborough covers it very well ('Life of Mammals' I think). It was discovered to mostly be one area of Africa, I think. Bonobos, on the other hand (very closely related to chimps) are completely different - being a matriarchal society. ;-)

Very interesting post Binidj - thanks. It may well be that you were seeing the parents chasing off one of their kids, or else a territorial dispute that came to blows?

Date: 2006-09-23 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jul1et.livejournal.com
one for sorrow, two for joy, three for a wish......

sounds like a plan!!

Date: 2006-09-24 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] binidj.livejournal.com
One for sorrow, two for joy, three for a girl, four for a boy, five for silver, six for gold, seven for a secret never to be told.

Date: 2006-09-25 08:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amber-missy.livejournal.com
...eight for a wish, nine for a kiss, ten for a time of joyous bliss.

Date: 2006-09-25 03:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hybridartifacts.livejournal.com
There seem to be quite a few variations on the magpie rhyme, depending on the part of the country its from-so I guess you pick the one you like best ;)

Date: 2006-09-25 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jul1et.livejournal.com
not the one I was brought up with

One for sorrow, two for joy, three for a wish, four for a kiss, five for a letter, six for something better, seven for a secret never told, eight for silver, nine for gold

:P

I blame my mother and her hippy hedge witch ways

Date: 2006-09-25 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] binidj.livejournal.com
Heh, sounds like a combination of rhymes to me ... when I was a child my mother used to say the following in response to sneezes!

"Once for a wish, twice for a kiss, three for a letter, four for something better"

And I learnt the magpie rhyme from, well, Magpie (http://www.screenonline.org.uk/tv/id/591387/index.html) ... I am, you remember, terribly old.

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